Session Start: Mon Jan 02 00:00:00 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[07:03]<@bc_programming> well that was traumatic
[07:03]<@bc_programming> I just watched our cat die
[07:12]<+pottsi> :O
[07:12]<+pottsi> sorry to hear that
[07:12]<+pottsi> what happened
[07:12]<+pottsi> :s
[07:12]<@bc_programming> well
[07:12]<@bc_programming> it was alive
[07:12]<@bc_programming> then it died
[07:13]<@bc_programming> about a week or so ago we found her in the front yard/garden, she got hurt somehow, we don't know
[07:13]<@bc_programming> theory was maybe she got clipped by a car
[07:13]<+pottsi> shite
[07:13]<@bc_programming> she was doing pretty bad at first, wouldn't eat, hardly move around
[07:13]<@bc_programming> but she was starting to move around and eat again so, at least I figured she was gonna be fine
[07:14]<+pottsi> :(
[07:15]<@bc_programming> then I wake up because she's going insane under my bed, bring out the torch and see what the heck is going on
[07:15]<@bc_programming> And while I was watching
[07:15]<@bc_programming> she stopped
[07:15]<@bc_programming> dead
[07:15]<@bc_programming> if you'll pardon the pun
[07:16]<+pottsi> wow
[07:16]<+pottsi> <censored>
[07:16]<+pottsi> :s
[07:16]<@bc_programming> it's somehow different when you actually see them go like that
[07:17]<+pottsi> very
[07:21]<@bc_programming> she was only 3-4 years old too. Poor beast. Aw well, shite happens I suppose
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[09:26]<guest-72> I broke Photoshop CS5
[09:26]<@bc_programming> ok
[09:28]<guest-72> hey bc_programming
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[09:31]<@bc_programming> hey camerongray
[09:34]<+camerongray> Howdy
[09:34]<@bc_programming> I'm traumatized :(
[09:35]<guest-72> hey camerongray
[09:35]<+camerongray> What happened?
[09:35]<@bc_programming> few hours ago I had to watch my cat die and it was anything but peaceful
[09:35]<+camerongray> Aww - So sorry :(
[09:35]<+camerongray> That;s the problem with pets
[09:37]<guest-72> I forgot I was on guest... Sorry to hear that bc_programming
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[09:38]<@bc_programming> yeah this one is different... I've had pet's die before but I've never actually had to watch them die... I keep trying to tell myself "what's wrong with you man, it was just a cat" but watching the life drain out of something... it changes it somehow, makes it more real
[09:40]<+camerongray> Yeh - You forget how much they turn into another member of the family
[09:40]<@bc_programming> well that's the thing, we had a dog, she lived to like 13 years old, and we had her since I was in fifth grade, I practically grew up with her, and when we had to put her down, I wasn't really sad or angry or anything
[09:41]<@bc_programming> I mean, death is inevitable right and she had lived a good long life
[09:42]<@bc_programming> I can deal with the pet being gone, but watching it go... that changes it
[09:42]<+camerongray> Yeh
[09:47]<@bc_programming> Oh well, I'll deal with it, sorry, I feel douchey constantly talking about my own problems
[10:08]<+camerongray> It's fine, we all need to talk about things
[10:08]<@bc_programming> yeah I guess that's what the chat is for, heh
[10:09]<@bc_programming> I'm writing a blog post about it, will definitely contrast with my usual material...
[10:28]<+camerongray> I should work on this app - Oh look! 2 people on the MC server
[10:37]<@bc_programming> lol
[10:37]<@bc_programming> see that is one advantage of not being able to join the server
[10:38]<@bc_programming> Though I have been playing quite a lot of Terraria
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[10:42]<+camerongray> Yeh
[10:43]<+camerongray> Why can't your "borrowed" connection join the server?
[10:43]<@bc_programming> It can, but then I'd have to use the laptop to play
[10:43]<@bc_programming> and I simply cannot play with a touchpad
[10:43]<@bc_programming> also, more recently something has been gobbling up my Processor cycles so it would probably only get a dozen FPS
[10:53]<GMulreay> Sorry to hear all that bc_programming never had to see a pet die in front of me.. always been put down. Hope your OK
[10:54]<+camerongray> Ahh - can't you connect your desktop to your neighbour?
[10:54]<+camerongray> Like use your laptop to share the WiFi over ethernet
[10:54]<@bc_programming> nope
[10:55]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:55]<@bc_programming> can't be assed to figure out how to bridge the connections with Linux
[10:55]<+camerongray> lol
[10:55]<Craig> Cant be that hard, :P
[10:55]<@bc_programming> my desktop had a wireless-N card in it but I think it's dead
[10:55]<Craig> They are nerdy enough that should be simple. :P
[10:55]<@bc_programming> Craig: trust me I tried for about 12 hours to get the bloody connection bridged
[10:55]<Craig> :P
[10:55]<Craig> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151114616690650'
[10:56]<@bc_programming> Windows it's easy, select both connections, right click, bridge
[10:56]<@bc_programming> Linux I have to modify some configuration file somewhere using obtuse and possibly sparsely documented magic syntax
[10:57]<@bc_programming> I managed to get a bridge up but... it didn't bridge, haha
[10:57]<GMulreay> haha Craig nice
[10:59]<+camerongray> hwy Craig
[10:59]<Craig> hwy?
[10:59]<GMulreay> He's a Geordie 'Hwy the lads'
[11:00]<Craig> hahahah
[11:00]<Craig> http://www.wimp.com/sketchingelectronics/ <- thats cool
[11:00]<+camerongray> oh :P
[11:01]<+camerongray> hey*
[11:01]<Craig> :) Hi
[11:01]<@bc_programming> What the heck is stealing all my CPU! Compiz used to be silky smooth and now it's like watching a slideshow
[11:02]<GMulreay> Hello camerongray, hello bc_programming, hello Craig I forgot to do proper hellos
[11:02]<Craig> Yo
[11:02]<@bc_programming> yes greetings to all
[11:03]<GMulreay> I'm going home tomorrow... YEAAAHHH
[11:03]<@bc_programming> oh right, I remember, it's firefox that steals my CPU not sure why
[11:04]<@bc_programming> wish I knew how the heck to actually get the latest version
[11:04]<GMulreay> It yum yums on RAM firefox I know that much
[11:04]<@bc_programming> Version: 3.6.24, package manager has the gall to tell me "This application is up to date" yeah sure it is
[11:05]<GMulreay> Thought it was up to 6. something
[11:05]<@bc_programming> something like that
[11:06]<@bc_programming> I think my desktop has 5 or 6 or something to that effect
[11:06]<+camerongray> I like firefox but it seems sluggish compaired to chrome
[11:06]<+camerongray> If only firefox used webkit :P
[11:07]<@bc_programming> later versions of FF are better than this one, that's for sure... at least perf-wise
[11:07]<+camerongray> yeh - still slower than chrome - I have both
[11:07]<@bc_programming> hilariously, I can now change tabs but it won't draw the page... I think it may be time to restart FF
[11:08]<@bc_programming> I hate chrome with a passion
[11:08]<@bc_programming> it started the whole idiotic "let's use the non-client area for client controls" nonsense
[11:08]<@bc_programming> also, it's title bar is busted in Win7
[11:08]<@bc_programming> though some would only call it a minor flaw
[11:08]<GMulreay> I went from FF to Chrome and then back to FF
[11:08]<GMulreay> It was quite a journey
[11:09]<+camerongray> lol
[11:10]<@bc_programming> well I closed FF but compiz/beryl whatever the heck it's called is still jerky
[11:10]<@bc_programming> and not the good kind of jerky
[11:11]<+camerongray> lol
[11:11]<+camerongray> Dump Compiz?
[11:11]<@bc_programming> no
[11:11]<+camerongray> I just use XFCE - looks boring but very fast :P
[11:12]<@bc_programming> that would just hide the issue, something is clearly hogging the CPU since compiz used to work silky smooth
[11:12]<+camerongray> Good point
[11:12]<sonicrules1234> bc_programming: htop?
[11:13]<@bc_programming> I've already tried to see what is using CPU. I get absolutely nothing out of the ordinary
[11:13]<sonicrules1234> Restart? :p
[11:13]<@bc_programming> I've restarted several times since I first noticed it
[11:14]<GMulreay> safe mode? I know if you want me to leave then just ask :p
[11:14]<@bc_programming> lol... it's linux :/
[11:14]<GMulreay> ahh ok didn't know that.. oops
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[11:22]<@bc_programming> haha... well, at least I managed to update to Firefox 9
[11:22]<Mulreay> 9? heh
[11:22]<@bc_programming> yep
[11:24]<@bc_programming> grrr
[11:24]<@bc_programming> I FECKING hate this
[11:24]<@bc_programming> every time you update
[11:24]<@bc_programming> "oh yeah, you know all your saved passwords I kept? sorry I forgot them all"
[11:26]<@bc_programming> o...k... so it's decided, imma forget some of them but don't worry I still remember some of them wrongly
[11:26]<Mulreay> heh
[11:27]<@bc_programming> my blog page loaded with the login, so I put in my username, press tab, and it populated it with password chars, so I was like, cool, I guess it did remember
[11:27]<@bc_programming> but nope invalid password, haha
[11:27]<Mulreay> heh
[11:27]<@bc_programming> it's a good thing I keep all my passwords in a safe place, since they are randomly generated
[11:29]<@bc_programming> ok I'm checking my compiz settings, because absolutely nothing is hogging the CPU so maybe I accidentally checked off it's "Run really slow" option
[11:33]<@bc_programming> ah ha
[11:33]<@bc_programming> I disabled the "blur windows" option and poof it's speedy again
[11:33]<@bc_programming> but I had it enabled before, weird
[11:43]<@bc_programming> well now everything is acting weird, probably time to reboot anyway, brb probably
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[11:46]<@bc_programming> ahhh
[11:46]<@bc_programming> now let's hope that weirdness doesn't return
[11:46]<Mulreay> wb
[11:47]<@bc_programming> weirdness was every app that had a "tabbed" interface refused to draw when I changed tabs
[11:47]<@bc_programming> FF,Chrome, etc... still looked like the one page I had open but I could mouse over links and stuff, it was odd
[11:58]<Mulreay> Going out for a bite to eat with my Mum and Dad... last night and all... bbl with a slightly more drunk effect to my messages no doubt ~;-) weird emoticon I know
[11:58]<@bc_programming> k, you enjoy yourself :D
[11:58]<Mulreay> thx bud in a bit
[13:54]<Mulreay> back from the meal... we had 'Indian'.
[13:54]<@bc_programming> cool
[13:54]<Mulreay> not a cultural person on a spit just a food stuff from asia
[13:55]<@bc_programming> I thought of a funny name for a dog
[13:55]<@bc_programming> Doglas
[13:55]<Mulreay> do tell
[13:55]<@bc_programming> instead of Douglas
[13:55]<Mulreay> will he have a bow and arrow?
[13:55]<Mulreay> 'Legolas'
[13:56]<@bc_programming> Doglas is from Douglas though
[13:56]<@bc_programming> based on "person" names
[13:56]<@bc_programming> so instead of Art, you would name a dog Arf
[13:57]<@bc_programming> and ... actually I can't think of any more atm
[13:57]<Mulreay> I get ya
[14:07]<Mulreay> I need to go home.... I really do... been in my parents company for too long... 2 weeks is far far far too much
[14:40]<Mulreay> see you all on the flip side
[14:41]<Craig> Later
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[14:48]<+camerongray> hey Craig
[14:50]<Craig> Yo
[14:52]<+camerongray> I hate when developers publish code but no documentation :P
[14:52]<@bc_programming> heh
[14:53]<+camerongray> The documentation basically says to look at the source code for the demos
[14:53]<@bc_programming> lol, the old "source code is documentation" thing
[14:53]<+camerongray> But the demos don't show how to make the button on the notificationtool do something
[14:55]<+camerongray> "Please look at the tester projects source for usage. There are few examples over there." >:-(
[14:56]<+camerongray> App is coming on really well
[14:57]<@bc_programming> well aside from not having docs
[14:57]<+camerongray> lol
[14:57]<+camerongray> I do sometimes wonder why I'm developing an app that will only work in Edinburgh but hey, it's fun
[14:57]<+camerongray> And the council will promote it :D
[14:57]<@bc_programming> It's sort of ironic because I almost got lost in BASeBlock trying to remember the Object Model stuff
[14:58]<+camerongray> lol
[14:58]<@bc_programming> and that was just in the code to pause and unpause the game
[14:58]<+camerongray> My app might appear on bus shelters, ready to have vulgar pictures drawn all over it by chavs :P
[14:58]<@bc_programming> I was looking at the unpause code, and trying to figure out why it was <giving> the balls a "pauseBehaviour"... So I thought, Ah! maybe that's why unpause isn't working
[14:58]<@bc_programming> so I changed it
[14:59]<Craig> Hmmm GLSL doesnt seem to want to do dynamic shadows for me...?
[14:59]<@bc_programming> but turns out that I knew what I was doing before, the paused ball behaviours are the countdown and obviously they don't get added until you unpause
[14:59]<@bc_programming> GLSL mod for minecraft?
[15:00]<Craig> Yeah
[15:00]<@bc_programming> Never used them myself
[15:00]<Craig> I am testing it out,
[15:00]<Craig> :P
[15:00]<Craig> Optifine gave me about 90 FPS so I wanted to use my GPU a bit more. :P
[15:01]<@bc_programming> I stopped using mods when 1.8 was released
[15:01]<+camerongray> Craig, What GPU do you have out of interest?
[15:02]<Craig> 6850 1GBram
[15:02]<+camerongray> Nice
[15:03]<+camerongray> Pretty similar to my 560ti in terms of performance
[15:03]<@bc_programming> On an unrelated note, I tweaked my INIFile class in VS 2010 and added features from C# 4.0. so in VS2010 I can say "INIfile.SectionName.Value" instead of INIFile["SectionName"]["Value"]
[15:04]<@bc_programming> though not sure if I could switch to VS2010, since I'd lose ReSharper
[15:06]<+camerongray> I also really don't see the problem with AMD Bulldozer either - I have the 8150 and it works GREAT!
[15:06]<+camerongray> I think the problems are part intel fanboys and part the Windows 7 schedular
[15:08]<@bc_programming> http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/17/bulldozer-doesnt-have-just-a-single-problem/
[15:10]<+camerongray> Yeh
[15:10]<+camerongray> Works beautifully from what I've used
[15:11]<+camerongray> I think a lot of the CPU power thing comes down to bragging rights - It's all well and good saying "my PC gets xyz under pcmark" but when it actually comes down to how it actually runs people don't seem to care
[15:11]<@bc_programming> any modern CPU is going to blaze. I think the point of the article is that "it could be better" particularly with regards to cache misses
[15:11]<+camerongray> Yeh
[15:12]<+camerongray> Might upgrade to piledriver and stick my 8150 in my server
[15:12]<@bc_programming> I think the "problems" are probably only something that would be worried about by those people who like to overclock their machines and pretend they are experts and stuff
[15:12]<+camerongray> It doesn't even have a CPU at the moment :P
[15:12]<+camerongray> Yeh
[15:12]<+camerongray> Some people really do like to pretend they are experts
[15:13]<@bc_programming> yeah they think overclocking is some difficult skill and treat it like an art
[15:13]<@bc_programming> it's not, you're messing around with a few options in your BIOS
[15:13]<@bc_programming> now back in the day when you actually had to move some jumpers around and if you did it wrong your computer could catch fire, that might have been different
[15:13]<+camerongray> like my friend who goes out and buys 2 580s and a 2600k then only uses it for web browsing
[15:14]<+camerongray> The comes up to me "Whaa?!?!?! You've not overclocked yours, N00B!"
[15:14]<@bc_programming> or when you had to replace the crystal oscillator on a 286 to overclock it, which meant desoldering the old one and attaching the new one
[15:14]<+camerongray> lol
[15:14]<+camerongray> For me, I can literally press one button and the system will find the highest stable overclock
[15:15]<@bc_programming> well yeah, exactly. How is that something that takes an "expert"
[15:15]<@bc_programming> my motherboard came with a utility to do that as well. Not used it though, don't trust the concept of overclocking even if the principles are sound
[15:16]<+camerongray> Yeh - No need to OC here
[15:16]<+camerongray> I mainly use it for programming which is pretty much glorified word processing
[15:16]<+camerongray> And a tiny bit video editring
[15:18]<@bc_programming> uh... you know how much stuff is going on as you type code in an IDE? a LOT more than a word processor... it's constantly checking types, enumerating member fields/variables/etc, syntax checking as you type, etc (depending on the IDE)
[15:18]<@bc_programming> of course if you use a basic text editor... well, then I guess that would count
[15:18]<@bc_programming> and compilation time relies heavily on the CPU too
[15:18]<+camerongray> I suppose
[15:19]<+camerongray> Still barely touches this CPU :P
[15:19]<@bc_programming> doesn't need an OC though
[15:19]<+camerongray> yeh
[15:19]<@bc_programming> honestly I don't think anything needs an Overclock- you can usually get the same improvements by improving your software environment anyway
[15:19]<+camerongray> yeh
[15:27]<Tux3> Folding@Home?
[15:28]<@bc_programming> Why would you need to overclock for it? that worked fine on my machine without it
[15:34]<Tux3> lol, if you're in a competition and you want more points. ;)
[15:35]<@bc_programming> then you are sorta missing the point of F&H...
[15:35]<Tux3> lol, I would be folding anyways, but having a small overclock to leverage you through the competition is still good.
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[15:45]<GMulreay> night all
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